laSextaNoticias "Every citizen has to support leftist Zapatero
Santiago Carrillo reflects on an interview with laSextaNoticias on the status of United Left, its role during the Civil War and the political.
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Santiago Carrillo is one of English politicians most famous of all time. Not for nothing decisive has experienced periods of English history of the twentieth century. This helps your mind to be a lucid closet full of ideas, information and culture, between cigarette smoking and shares with his partner and friendly air-depth look. English
Many consider him part of our history. Did you feel it?
The truth is I have no awareness of being part of history, although it is now very common, to say hello, I say "you're history." But it strikes me that what I say is that I am part of the past. A life like yours is fraught enemies ... Yes, creates a lot of enemies. Especially in a country where politics has undergone a civil war, 40 years of fiercely repressive dictatorship and a very serious class conflict. It is clear that working in the midst of this situation means making friends very loyal and very strong enemies. Those enemies have invented a story about you. Yeah man, they invented. The critical they have invented, especially from the time I was secretary of the PCE, is Paracuellos.
Paracuellos Tell me about. What was your level of responsibility in that episode?
The truth is that my responsibility can be one. During the defense of Madrid, two or three days constitute the Board of Defense, Franco's troops arrive at 500 meters from the prison model. Jail which is located in a strategic location. There are about 2000 officers who are without a doubt, the fifth column or the decisive part of the fifth column that according to Mola's going to take Madrid. And do I, but the Defence Board and General Miaja estimate there to evacuate the people out of jail because we can stir and could open the door of Madrid to the enemy, and that would have meant the destruction of the city and war. The problem is that we did not have sufficient forces to protect the convoy and out of Madrid uncontrolled gangs killed those people. More power to those who led them could not put on your defense, because we had no strength to meet even the front lines of Madrid. Fast forward a few years time. Let
Transition. Is considered a model?
I do not think it was a model, which I think is that could not be otherwise. Franco block was very firmly established in Spain because he had won a civil war and had created a whole structure of the state identified with the Franco regime. The opposition itself was never sufficiently strong to defeat the dictatorship of Franco. In other countries fascism was sweeping military and the leaders were executed in processes. In Spain there was no intervention military allies in the 45 years left us as they had throughout the war, our gamble, and there came a time when Franco died or dying with the bourgeoisie, and I think the whole country, I thought joining the EU because they needed to integrate into the international mainstream business, capitalism, what has been called after globalization. And that the Franco regime was an obstacle. During the transition the PCE, while not making many concessions in his opinion as the reformists did some.
decisively "to communism Weakened this English?
No. I think what weakened the PCE were two factors. National One and one international. A national PCE is that out of all other forces had a commitment. All. Reform of the system and other democratic opposition parties including the Socialist Party were committed in Spain to prevent a repeat of the Italian political model. That is, the Communist Party was the dominant force on the left, and that helped them much the existence of an army command that month and a half before the election, coinciding with our legalization, legalization and condemns this implies that if there is a communist victory there may be a coup, which influences the outcome of the Communist Party in the first elections. I'm sure many votes that would otherwise have been for us was for the PSOE. And in the international sphere the factor that hurt us all Western Communist parties was the collapse of the Soviet system degeneration of what had hitherto been seen as the expression of communism. This has caused great damage to PCE, but also communism Italian, French, Communist parties across Europe. In Spain the national factor includes that for years there was a threat of military coup and the military coup against communism was the great motto of the bunker. This threat has lasted many years. How long? At least until 81, when a coup Tejero and beyond. And that has certainly been the reason for the weakening of the party, because many supporters, including many members, 82 voted for the PSOE in the idea that we stay as we are. On the other hand, the only left party that was tolerated and had international support in Europe was the socialist, who also was committed to not repeating the Italian model and has the support of all key European forces who believe that the party is only way that the PCE does not have the influence it has had on the struggle against Franco. United Left is the party that has inherited all these problems. And now he is in deep crisis.
What about the IU situation?
first thing to say is that the current PCE is a residue of what was the PCE. A residue which is led by the most sectarian, more dogmatic, more conservative than the PCE had in my time and were always a problem and an obstacle. It is they who are left with what little remains of PCE. As IU's formula, at first it was only the cover of the remaining electoral PCE. The PCE in this period he was joined by some factions as the Humanist Party of which no one remembers today, it was a very strange building behind which the CIA was suspected. All these groups have joined the PCE are disappearing and Communists are left alone. Actually Llamazares, Rosa Aguilar, all these people who has the more sensible positions, politically smarter IU are also members of the PCE that have historically followed, but maybe they do not realize the clash that occurred in an earlier period between Euro- and pro-Soviet. At this
what is the solution? Do you gamble to follow the line of Llamas?
I have publicly supported Llamazares. We need a new left to the left of the PSOE. There is a broad sector of the population that identifies with the PSOE and that is a space that fits a more leftist movement firmer and more resolved than the PSOE, while the PSOE does not consider as their main enemy as with those old communist leaders. The engine of this would be a broad movement of leftist anti-capitalist and democratic vocation had clear, that deals with the problems today are very basic, such as ecology, peace ... but above all to defend the interests of the working strata. I believe that today the task would be to create such a movement. What I feel is that at my age I can not be an active element in the creation of this movement must be young people today.
Of all the other political formations, what is your Favorite?
I have no favorites. But I think that anyone left in the main has to support Rodriguez Zapatero, Zapatero because before there is a right carpetovetónica, a block to the right that is decisively influenced by what might be called extreme right.
Let's talk about the Law of Historical Memory. What do you think about this?
I think this law the decision is first necessary to solve this problem and resolve it as quickly as possible. I think the state has to take over the lift pit and giving Christian burial or as the thought of each other debris there. Would claim that those innocent victims who were murdered in a vile. Franco victims were claimed, honored, even soldiers who died in that situation were high grade in the period of forty years of dictatorship, and now all we need is to vindicate the people who were killed not only during war but also when after the war is over, when these people point topped all the power and peace but did not establish a military regime. To rehabilitate the names of those killed. But I do not think you have to post again in a court or judge or condemn the murderers being dead. Are buried. And because they or not they are doing is any court order. But their families, their children, their grandchildren, who have no legal responsibility for what their ancestors did, the publication of opinion can undermine their tremendous. And family members have no guilt and now would defile them.
How can we heal the wounds of war? How silently, as argued by the bishops?
These bishops do not give any confidence. They have developed and raised to the altars have hundreds of people falling into the anti-Republican side. They do not forget, they think that by the grace of God have the right to direct the thought, politics, the moral of this country. Let
another hot topic. The crisis. What is that?
The crisis is due to speculation. As the year 29 had the last century. A financial speculation created a bubble of business benefits that did not reflect economic reality, with the real economy. Bubble that explodes at a certain time, disrupts the entire capitalist system, causing unemployment, ruin, misery. We have experienced the same crises that serve to demonstrate that the capitalist system, when it seems to be in full swing and his glory, making a disaster is to be manufactured. And while the capitalist system does not address issues such as ecology and a very simple reason: because business is the foundation of that system and the business has to plunder, to destroy the wealth of the planet and making the planet uninhabitable in a few generations. Moreover, the capitalist system creates monsters like the war in Iraq or Afghanistan and is now talking about war with Iran, the world of the sea, with North Korea. Some are getting as Venezuela or Bolivia. A militarily encircling Russia continue as if communism there. So you think the current crisis is the most similar, among all the past decades, that of the 29 ... Like no other before. That was also a crisis caused by speculation financial, stock, credit use by stock market players which led to a time when the crack occurs and sink sink banks and companies.
What will make Santiago Carrillo in the near future?
little longer. I have in hand a book that I have to deliver. I do some lectures. Works in a magazine and once in a newspaper. I have many visits and meetings with students who are preparing dissertations. Actually I have a work overload for my age, which should begin to free myself, but I have a bad habit of not knowing how to say no when someone comes to me for help and collaboration. _
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